... As a woman of color, it remains difficult to locate the voices and actions that may motivate me, and others like me, to connect with what remains a heterosexist, white male dominated popular left. From protests and rallies in Boston and New York, to lectures and readings in my hometown of Los Angeles, I find that, not unlike 95% of the delegates to the Democratic National Convention who, according to the Boston Globe, opposed the war and still supported a pro-war candidate, we have moved to a rudimentary center and made silent the theories and practices that could flourish by incorporating the voices and actions of those on the margins. The cost of what is in effect the intellectual segregation of the voices of radical women of color is immeasurable: by somewhat unconsciously choosing an easy center, we stifle the dialogue and critique which could meaningfully question what it is we stand for.

Instead, we tacitly support pornographers like Larry Flynt of Hustler Magazine. Flynt has gained credit for squeezing the work of progressive authors between images of violent degradation. By hiding behind this fact, Flynt is able to repel criticisms about the racist and misogynistic culture he perpetuates. Hustler Magazine now publishes articles of popular left icons such as Greg Palast and Christian Parenti. ...

For 25 years, B Dwaine Tinsley was Hustler Magazine's cartoon editor and creator of 'Chester the Molester', a cartoon which depicted Tinsley's character, Chester, sexually abusing prepubescent girls. In 1989, Tinsley's own daughter testified that he molested and forced her take birth control pills from age 13 through 18. He was convicted of sexually abusing his daughter as well as having sexual contact with another 13-year-old girl, whose accusations originally led to his arrest. Tinsley served a nearly two-year sentence, all the while continuing to contribute to Hustler Magazine. Although his conviction was eventually overturned due to a legal technicality, Hustler continued to publish his degrading images, even as he spent time in prison for sexual abuse. Although Tinsley died in 1990, Hustler continues to honor his legacy by publishing heterosexist, and racist work through its magazine. Even while declaring that he is against child pornography, another one of Flynt's many publications includes Barely Legal which uses images of the youngest girls who are allowed to pose nude by law. If such laws did not exist, or were altered to allow the degradation of even younger girls, one can guess that Flynt would print those as well.

In an interview with Guerilla News Network in May 2004, Greg Palast said, 'Larry Flynt is putting between beaver shots.' One can only guess what he means if Palast confuses women's genitalia with animals that live near woodlands. He may have been prompted to use essentializing language in association with a magazine that does the same through words and images. In the May interview Palast was talking about gaining exposure for his work in a number of avenues, but it is tough to imagine what type of would-be activists purchase Hustler for enlightening reading material. If such people exist (and I seriously wonder if they do),* *they are the same people who have no qualms with the images of degradation. After being desensitized by viewing women represented as objects and being sexually mutilated, it is unlikely that this audience possesses the psychic ability to be astonished, for example, by images of torture at Abu Ghraib. While Palast can note that his audience is increasing, Flynt can use the work of progressive journalists such as Palast as a scapegoat for avoiding the problematic issues of his product.

In a full hour interview with Democracy Now's Amy Goodman, which aired on hundreds of stations throughout the country several months ago, Larry Flynt was briefly questioned about the exploitation of women in his work. Flynt's response was that, 'most of the criticism comes from the radical feminist movement, who really only claim to fame is to urge a bunch of ugly women to march behind.' This is the same group of women who screamed in the margins in the days leading to the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, yet on hundreds of popular left stations, Flynt's words went unchallenged. Goodman did not include another guest to confront Flynt. Instead, she read a dated quote in which Gloria Steinem voiced her opposition to Flynt and compared his use of the First Amendment to racist and fascist publications that similarly serve to degrade people. Flynt's response was short and easy: that Steinem's work was useful in the 1960s, that she is out of touch today, and that if she is offended by his magazine, she should not read it. Goodman's questions quickly moved on to another topic. Before the interview ended, Flynt adds that 'here are only a handful of us that are lobbing grenades into the Bush camp. It's me, Michael Moore, Howard Stern, Molly Ivins, D.H. Hatfield, Greg Palast, you know, you can count them all on both hands.'

Flynt's myopic view of the world makes him blind to the work that so many others do. And, because he controls a tremendous amount of capital, he is able to dodge criticisms against his degradation of women while legitimizing himself to the popular left by publishing progressive journalists. Flynt has become sophisticated at amplifying his voice through his enormous means of production to avoid any real concerns about his product.

In the days that followed, the program was flooded with comments condemning Flynt and the broadcast. Democracy Now's response was to have two feminists, Susie Bright and Susan Brison, debate the merits of pornography, centered around the Flynt interview. Democracy Now attempted to have these women argue over the issue of pornography- while two weeks earlier the program featured a longer interview with a pornographer, unchallenged.

Perhaps taking its lead from Democracy Now, the February issue of Hustler featured an interview with Susie Bright. Besides several incorrect assumptions she makes about me, I was surprised to learn that Bright believes that Hustler is a 'deliberately proletariat' publication, with a 'working-class Southern flavor'. A white feminist who conveniently avoids the issues of racism in Hustler raised by women of color, Bright attempts to rely on an inconsistent class analysis and connects what are 'disgusting' and 'icky' images with that which she deems to be 'working-class', claiming that it makes the publication easier to attack. Rather than aligning herself with the real struggles of working women, Bright has chosen to align herself to millionaire Larry Flynt. Towards the end of the interview published by Hustler, Bright begins to critique the publication itself, alluding to 'disrespectful agreements' between herself and Hustler. At this point, Hustler cuts off the interview entirely, slashing any agency she may have thought she would have had in the interview. When I first read the Bright interview, I was hurt but only slightly surprised that a white feminist would allow Hustler to use her for their own ends. I have never met or spoken with Bright, but it saddens me that someone who calls herself a feminist could say that because of my critique of Hustler, I would wind up 'in a room all by self.' I would not be alone in Bright's imaginary room if she had reached out to me, a working class woman, before postulating fallacies in a publication that serves to physically (and in the case of Bright, intellectually) use women for their immediate gratification.

In the same issue, Hustler attempts to enlist another white woman, Amy Alkon, to attack me. Alkon questions my commitment to free speech, yet fails to realize that it was Hustler Editors Mark Cromer and Bruce David who first attacked me for using free speech in my simple request to be removed from an email list. Alkon unsuccessfully attempts to compare me to white supremacist David Duke making no genuine connection for her comparison. In a separate yet similarly incoherent argument, Alkon asks, 'Aura, what's the answer? Should we all go around in burkhas? Isn't that the oppression you're professing to want to prevent ' in between your position to work out your jealous rage against rich old Larry Flynt?' Obviously Alkon, like Bright, has not taken the time to inform herself on my positions, and her suggestion that I am jealous of Flynt is nothing short of ludicrous.

In another edition of Hustler, the magazine goes far beyond words and uses caricatures of me in a desperate attempt to further speak vilify me. I have not made any public statements regarding Hustler or anyone related to its publication since August 2004, yet after half-a-year of me remaining silent on the issue, Hustler continues to attack me, featuring horrific images of me: in some, I read a poem a Valentine's Day poem, 'Roses are red, Violets are blue, If you're a white male, I'm gonna kill you'; another has me smashing a microphone because, in the cartoon, a caller into the station I work at sends an email suggesting that I like 'having mouth near a microphone because it reminds of a white male's cock.'; yet another cartoon includes a line of 'Aura Bogado Jewelry'- in it, I have a penis pierced through my tongue.

While attempting to position his magazine as a progressive publication, Flynt is using the tactics of reactionary conservatives such as Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh to attack women who stand against violence degradation. In a recent book, Savage complains that the New York Times is contaminated by 'femi-fascists, the Commu-Nazis'. I wouold argue that it's no coincidence that in the February issue of Hustler, the editors refer to me as a 'femi-fascist' and a 'Stalinist', and commissioned a caricature of me as some type of Nazi/fascist. These unfounded characterizations are so similar to conservative attacks on other feminists that it's difficult to distinguish them in print. ...

/Aura Bogado works with KPFK Radio and Free Speech Radio News (FSRN). The opinions stated herein reflect the views of the author alone and are not those of KPFK or FSRN management or staff, nor do they reflect the editorial positions of KPFK or FSRN./

http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=91&ItemID=8012

Heart

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

Susie Bright, this is a whole new low, even for you.

And Aura Bogado, I'm going to find as many ways as I can to stand with you, and for you, but I cannot stand how kind you are to these Q@$%$@&@$&@$%!@#%!%! excuses for human beings! You have been totally violated.

It is unbelievable.

Heart

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

This is his side. H*u*s*t*l*e*r's* side. This is where the liberal definition of "freedom of speech has taken us. This is where liberalism/libertarianism/and right wing idiocy has taken us.

This is why we so, so, so need feminism.

***

FLYNT TOUCHES OFF PROGRESSIVE RANGE WAR

Larry Flynt’s support this week for the national action group Not In Our Name’s demand of New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg drew a screeching rebuke from hard-line men-haters in the group. One member of NION, radio show host Aura Bogado, launched into hysterics in an email denouncing Flynt’s support and distancing herself from the activist group.

Bogado’s hate-addled, racist rant against Anglo heterosexual males touched off dueling emails between Hustler magazine editors (and lifelong liberals) and KPFK station personnel, including Bogado. The broadsides were fired in front of a growing audience of hundreds of influential progressives across the
country—thanks to email trees and blogs.

What follows are the actual emails as they came online:

INITIAL EMAIL ALERT OF FLYNT’S SUPPORT FOR NION ALERT!!! ALERT!!!

Larryflynt.com has just posted the NION call for a massive, public media campaign
to pressure Mayor Bloomberg to grant permits for Central Park demonstrations!!!
Check it out! (just dont look at the pictures) www.larryflynt.com

HUSTLER ISSUES CHALLENGE TO KPFK

Revealing both their true agenda of censorship as well as a hatred of heterosexual Anglo males that motivates much of their philosophy, the Fifth Column of Stalinists posing as Progressives at Pacifica’s KPFK radio in Los Angeles have again misled their listeners and outright lied about Hustler magazine and us, two of its editors.

During an email exchange that started on August 25th which pitted us against KPFK’s Aura Bogado and Jamie Lee over a proposed alliance between Not In Our Name (NION) and Hustler, we confronted Bogado in mass emails for making what we consider to be clear and undeniable racist and sexist attacks as well as employing ugly smears in an effort to exclude us from supporting NION.

On September 1st, KPFK host Sonali Kolhatkar dedicated her show to the issue of pornography and took the opportunity to again defend Bogado’s racist, sexist attack on Flynt, Hustler and heterosexual Anglo males. Since Kolhatkar refuses to deal with this debate truthfully, let’s again establish a few facts:

A) NION first approached Hustler and asked for support of their efforts in NYC. We repeat: NION FIRST APPROACHED HUSTLER and asked for support.

B) Hustler agreed to support a fellow progressive cause and posted the requested information on LarryFlynt.com.

C) Aura Bogado launched into a high-octane tirade at the news of Hustler’s support, called Flynt a “Pig,” essentially accused him of supporting rape and casually intimated a link bewteen Hustler and child pornography. In an ensuing mass email Bogado then decried that “it’s alright to be a white male” after Sept. 11th (as apparently it was not all right to be white, male and heterosexual before the terror attacks?)

D) After reading through a couple of her emails that were laced with anti-Anglo, anti-male heterosexual screeds, we responded forcefully, confronting the venom that Bogado apparently believes she is entitled to spew because she is a self-declared “oppressed woman of color.” (Does that make us “privileged non-gay males not-of-color?”)

Look, had Bogado simply fired off an email stating she doesn’t believe in what Hustler does or that she believes an alliance with a pornographer is wrong, we would have no problem with that—though we would wholeheartedly disagree.

But Bogado attacked us in a very racist, sexist manner and smeared us to boot.

Why is Larry a “Pig?” Because he publishes explicit depictions of consenting adults having sex that some people object to? How is it NOT ok to be a white, heterosexual male? How is publishing, editing or reading Hustler synonymous with rape and child pornography?

Since she made these statements, we call upon Bogado to elaborate on them. As she dismissively noted to Robert Corsini that she was “bothered that he felt entitled” to question her, it seems clear to us that Bogado is as arrogant as George W.—she doesn’t feel she has to explain herself or her positions.

This was borne out when we confronted Bogado in mass emails of our own, as she did what extremists often do—she hid. Her supporters, specifically Jamie Lee and Alan Minsky of KPFK, didn’t bother directly addressing the inherent racism and sexism in Bogado’s tirade, but instead Lee took the lead in asserting that our daring to question Bogado’s ideology and motives was “misogynistic” and “very dangerous.”
Minsky just shuffled around making excuses for Bogado.

We suppose our comments were very dangerous—to the extent that people who spread racist hate never like to be challenged and become frightened when confronted.

Kolhatkar’s show on Sept. 1st stooped to a new low by picking up the nonsense started by Jamie Lee and carrying that ball further, calling our emails confronting Bogado “abuse” and claiming we had “threatened” her. While we have never threatened anyone, one of Kolhatkar’s guests on Sept. 1st was the infamous Diana Russell, the Mills College ‘professor’ who as repeatedly come within a hair’s-breadth of publicly calling for the murder of Flynt. “How I wish that Flynt’s would-be murderer had been a better shot!”
Russell told the San Francisco Chronicle on March 11th of this year. “I hate and despise this man…”

As Larry is a heterosexual, Anglo male, this vitriol apparently is sanctioned by Kolhatkar, Bogado, Lee and, sadly, Minsky (who doesn’t seem able or willing to raise his voice against such blatant advocates for violent sexist racism).

But to state, as Kolhatkar and Lee have that we “threatened” Bogado is simply an outright lie.
And it’s a lie that was spoken to the listeners of KPFK without the benefit of a rebuttal. In fact, Kolhatkar had every opportunity to call us before the show and give us the chance to defend ourselves, but she chose not to—and this is progressive?

Accordingly, we challenge Aura Bogado, Sonali Kolhatkar and Jamie Lee to meet us in debate. We will open up five (5) pages in Hustler to feature the debate in print (edited only for space) and it must be broadcast on KPFK unedited, as well as streamed on both KPFK and LarryFlynt.com websites.

While the cadre of Stalinists who have wormed their way into KPFK may hope that we will fall silent in the face of their hate-based lies, to the contrary we intend to employ every asset at our disposal to continue to challenge them and their agenda, all the while building bridges with those in the true Progressive community who understand that alliances aren’t ideologically pure marriages that demand total fidelity to a single cause, but rather working relationships for a goal of the common good.
We haven’t and won’t back out of a movement we believe in or turn away from friends just because Aura Bogado may also be a member. At the same time, we’ll be damned if we let her own racist, sexist attacks keep us silent or force us out of the cause.

Sincerely,

Bruce David & Mark Cromer
Hustler

KPFK’s RESIDENT RACIST AURA BOGADO’S FIRST ATTACK

I am outraged that NION LA would use an endorsement from a misogynist like Larry Flynt to garner attention to what may very well be one of the biggest demonstrations in recent history. I will be in New York because as a woman of color, I want to stand against oppression and domination in all its forms. Sexism and racism are a flagrant part of Flynt's capitalist exploitation. I visited larryflynt.com and linked to an interesting article titled, "The Rape Shield Law: It's Just Wrong". In it, Flynt essentializes feminists as "anti-men", and says that Rape Shield laws create an "uneven playing field" for rape victims. It's very easy to kill Iraqis when we de-humanize them. By de-humanizing women through pornography it's similarly easy to rape them and say laws are created that give these women and unfair advantage.

For these reasons and more, remove me from NION LA's list, and take a minute to consider who "Our" stands for "Not In Our Name". To me, "our" stands for the People, not the Pigs like Flynt. I want to create alliances, but not when they threaten the core of my liberation.

Aura Bogado
Producer/Host
KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles

BOGADO UNLOADS MORE RACIST, MAN-BASHING SWILL

Dear Robert et al,

First, I am dismayed that you have decided to send your response, along with my
original one, to people that I know (hello to Elizabeth, Alan and Christine), and to
many more that I do not. If I wanted my opinions about Larry Flynt to be read by
Flynt’s publisher, Bruce David, I would have sent them to him myself. I felt this could
be a dialogue between NION organizers and myself. I am very troubled that you
violated that. Since you feel the need to air it out with friends, colleagues and
strangers, I, too have added people to this list.

Second, you have reached out to Pacifica and I, for one, have responded by
getting NION on air. Besides producing locally for KPFK, I also anchor Pacifica’s
national newscast, Free Speech Radio News. On August 18, 2004, we ran a story
about the state of repression ahead of the RNC in New York City. Our
correspondent from WBAI, Leigh Ann Caldwell, filed an excellent story that you
can hear on . Her story did not focus
solely on the letter campaign, since legally and editorially, we cannot advocate calls for
actions. Instead, we looked at the way in which different groups, including NION, are
dealing with the situation. Leigh Ann interviewed NION’s Tanya Mayo for the piece, and
you can hear Tanya’s voice in the story. I wake up every morning at 5:20 am to look at the
news of the day, and make editorial calls by 6:15 am. I, along with our editorial team that
consists of four people working across the country, decided to commissioned the piece
because it is vital to ourcommunity. Free Speech Radio News plays on KPFK, as well as
over 60 stations nationwide, including KPFA in the Bay, WBAI in New York, KPFT in
Houston and WPFW in Washington, DC. My titles include producer and anchor, not mother:
I can get stories on radio, but it’s up to you if you listen.

Third, I would like to respond to your “basic question”. I would never be in a
position of political power to legislate social policy, since I believe those systems
of power serve to corrupt and damage otherwise positive human experiences.
According to your email, you assume that I would potentially destroy “the Adult
Entertainment Industry”. Quite the opposite. I enjoy and advocate erotica and
consider myself a sex-positive woman. However, I do have a problem with
misogyny and child pornography. Judith Reisman documents a disturbing pattern
of the latter in this article:
ARTICLE_ID=16049>. Just as prohibition did not change people’s want for alcohol,
neither would legislation against pornography; it would go underground. Voting and
laws do not change society, social movements do. Movements for supposed liberation
that are informed by misogyny will fail by definition.

Like you, I, too have had my ideas challenged after 9/11. As bell hooks says, racism,
sexism and homophobia were popularly justified after 9/11. Suddenly, all the information
we thought we had learned about how to create a just world flew out the window.
Post 9/11, it was alright to worry and be exclusionary about immigrants and people
of color. It was alright to worry about women’s oppression in Afghanistan without
looking at our own. It was alright to be a white male, along with all the sexist and
racist privileges that entails. I view the left’s current fascination of Flynt as result
of 9/11: the loss of what’s important and the shifting value in would-be allies.
Why should NION align themselves with working-class women of color when they
can, instead, be co-opted by one rich, white male’s fantasy world? When you build
bridges with those who oppress, you simultaneously burn bridges with Others.

Next, I’m sorry that you feel the work you do is thankless and unpaid. Maybe
there are reasons un-apparent to me as to why you are involved in the work that
you do. When you say that I am “ready to disconnect”, and suggest that I am reactionary,
I can guarantee you that you could not be further from the truth. Similarly, I can also
guarantee that you do not understand my outrage, as you claim to at the start of your
email, the rest of your email is evidence of that. Unlike Flynt who may need to fund a
rape crisis center in an attempt to appear to be the good person, I certainly do not
need to prove my commitment to you or anyone else, so I’ll save us all the examples.
However, I am bothered that you feel entitled to question it.

Finally, you say that you “would be happy to discuss this further”, then quickly suggest
the Bloomberg letter campaign would be a better use of ‘our’ time. No, thank you!
It’s not a campaign I plan on forwarding to friends or airing anything about anytime
soon. The next time I need direction from you as to how to allocate my most valuable
resource (time), I’ll let you know.

Sincerely,
Aura Bogado

KPFK's THATCHER COLLINS DOES HIS BEST JONATHAN SWIFT

Dear Aura:
I understand your outrage but this decision was a complex one. I am no defender
of colonialism but I do believe that Columbus’ history has a great deal
of commitment to many, many progressive ideals. Ironically, I have reached out
across the Pacific for the past two years about the Christian conversion campaign
and have yet to get a response from anyone – until now. The idea with
Columbus is basically that we need to build bridges with segments of the population
that wouldn’t normally be exposed to the kind of information that is ultimately
transformative like the kind of great work you have committed your life to and
much of what I do as well. Preaching to the converted isn’t enough to
make this into a movement. I must also ask you the basic question Aurelita –
if you were in a position of political power and could dictate social policy
– would you keel haul Mister Columbus? What would you do with the Adult
Enslavement Industry? I have had several long conversations with Reino Fernando
II de Aragón, Columbus’s benefactor. He is a compelling individual
who has a deep commitment to progressive politics and is committed to getting
Edward VI and his neo-protestants out of the British Monarchy. Let’s not
forget how Columbus set-up the silver mines of Española for the Chinese
monetorization.

Aura, since 1492, I myself have had so many ideological precepts challenged
and reinforced at the same time. Seeing the Troubadours turning into Fernando
supporters -- while Jesuits who I once thought were progressive are now embracing
the fear politics of the Moors. Amazing reversals. For me it’s a time
to open and really listen to a broad range of perspectives, re-think everything.
There are always the good blankets with the bad blankets. I must also tell you
that this wasn’t a unilateral Kingdom of Spain decision. Although contacting
América was my idea originally, it was discussed at the court level years
ago. Also, please keep in mind that we only sponsored Columbus’ ships.
Frankly if Señor Cristóbal Colón can deliver 1,000 Christians
to Jesus, it’s worth it. I don’t have to love Christopher Columbus,
or embrace his inflammatory and colonial politics. It’s about gaining
access to land for the progressive messages we are all committed to. I would
be happy to discuss this further if you’d like, but you pushing the Christian
conversation campaign would be a better use of our time.
And finally, after all the months and months of thankless, unpaid work that
has gone into training Rocinante for the voyage, one that myself and many others
have engaged in, you are ready to disconnect from the work we’ve been
doing – over Christopher Columbus’s support for our Christian conversion
campaign? Who’s being reactionary now? Did you ever stop to think that
perhaps Christopher Columbus is precisely the right guy to fund an indigenous
rights center? Or perhaps he already has and you just don’t know about
it? I’ll see you in Cuzco.
Sinceramente,
Don Quixote de la Mancha
Reino de España

THATCHER THINKS HE'S FUNNY

Dear NION,

It's funny to me, but shouldn't be funny to you, like how Swift's plan for
eating irish babies was funny to the Irish and not the British.
BTW, the technical term is parody, not a twist. Your tone, rhetoric, and logic
remained completely unadulturated.

cheers,
thatcher

BRUCE DAVID TO THATCHER COLLINS: YOU'RE NO JONATHAN SWIFT

Thatcher:

No... It's just not funny. It's boring. Strained. Pretentious. And off point,
which is normal for you. I listen to you on KPFK on my way to work, cursing
the whole time you are on. You advise Michael Moore on how to write his book.
You advise him on how to make his movie. Then you condemn him while pretending
not to. If I had your support I'd be worried. As it is, I'm at least sure I'm
on the side of people who can think and reason and discuss the issues in a logical,
open manner. You can side with those who, like Ashcroft, know all the answers
and thus knowing, have no reason for thoughtful debate.
BTW, I've read Jonathan Swift. You are no Jonathan Swift.

Sincerely,

Bruce David
Editorial Director
HUSTLER

CORSINI REPLIES TO COLLINS

Dear Mr. Collins:

I appreciate your humorous twist to this story. However, there are a couple problems here . One is that you are attempting to demean someone who has been working tremendously hard to get access to mainstream media for the messages of resistance that both yourself and many others at Paciifica represent so vehemently. I cannot imagine any of your predecessors like John Beaupre, Marcos Frommer or Kathy Gori jumping into such hypocritical journalistic quagmire. I suppose that you prefer keeping progressive messages limited to you insular audience rather than attempting to broaden its base. Another problem is that you in your capacity as a 'progressive' journalist enter into a very murky area when you cross such a line and mount an attack against someone, humorous as it may be, who has dedicated nearly two years to the NION project. Simply from a journalistic point of view it would make more sense to examine why the 'progessive' message has such a hard time getting out. Cle

arly I am seeing part of the problem coming directly from a place that I thought stood for open debate, freedom of speech and so forth and so on. What this demonstrates to me is that you believe in the right to free speech as long as it follows your extremely narrow criteria. Why don't you blast out at Greg Palast and other 'progressive' journalists who have associated their works with the 'Columbus' of our modern times -- Mr. Flynt? Or how dare Michael Moore, another conspiratorial contemporary conquistador, allow Flynt to talk about 'Farenheit 911' on his website? But I have to admit, very funny. You should be proud. I have to say that at least you had the professional common sense to write to NION LA under your personal e-mail rather than flaunting your KPFK position. But really, the joke's on you.

Robert

NION LA’s ROBERT CORSINI REPLIES
Dear Aura:

I understand your outrage but this decision was a complex one. I am no defender of
pornography but I do believe that Flynt's history has a great deal of commitment to many,
many progressive ideals. Ironically, I have reached out to Pacifica for the past two
weeks about the Bloomberg letter campaign and have yet to get a response from anyone
-- until now. The idea with Flynt is basically that we need to build bridges with segments
of the population that wouldn't normally be exposed to the kind of information that is
ultimately transformative like the kind of great work you have committed your life to and much
of what do as well. Preaching to the converted isn't enough to make this into a movement.
I mustalso ask you the basic question Aura -- if you were in a position of political power and
couldlegislate social policy -- would you shut down Mr. Flynt? What would you do with the
Adult Entertainment industry? Order its destruction? Would that be any different than
prohibition? I have had several long conversations with Bruce David, Flynt's publisher.
He is a compelling individual who has a deep commitment to progressive politics and
is committed to getting Bush and the neo-cons out of office. Let's not forget how Flynt set-up
the Republican Speaker of the House Dennis Haestert...

Aura, since 9/11, I myself have had so many ideological precepts challenged and
reinforced at the same time. Seeing National Rifle Association Republicans turning
into Kerry supporters -- while people who I once thought were progressive are now
embracing the fear politics of the Bush Administration. Amazing reversals. For me it's
a time to open and really listen to a broad range of perspectives, re-think everything.
There is always the good with the bad. I must also tell you that this just wasn't a
unilateral NION LA decision. Although contacting LFP was was my idea originally,
it was discussed on the National Steering Committee level months ago. Also, please
keep in mind that we linked to Flynt's political website only. We have been looking in
many directions to build bridges between progressive thinking and in this case there
was an opening. Frankly if LFP can deliver 1,000 letters to Bloomberg, it's worth it.
I don't have to love Larry Flynt, or embrace his inflammatory and misogynistic sexual
politics. It's about gaining access to media channels for the progressive messages
were are all committed to. I would be happy to discuss this further if you'd like, but you
pushing the Bloomberg letter campaign described below would be a better use of our time.

And finally, after all the months and months of thankless, unpaid work that has gone into
building for the RNC that myself and many others have engaged in, you are ready to
disconnect from the work we've been doing -- over LarryFlynt.COM's support for our
letter writing campaign? Who's being reactionary now? Did you ever stop to think that
perhaps Larry Flynt is precisely the right guy to fund a rape crisis center? Or perhaps
he already has and you just don't know about it? I'll see you in NY.

Respectfully,

Robert Corsini
NION LA Organizer

HUSTLER’S MARK CROMER RETURNS FIRE

Hey Robert,

I received a copy of the e-mail exchange between you and KPFK’s Aura Bogado
and want to take this opportunity to encourage you to keep your head and spirits up,
as you have no reason to apologize or second-guess yourself over enlisting Larry
Flynt’s support of Not In Our Name.

As a liberal (remember those?) who is a veteran of the Politically Correct censorship
wars that swept university campuses during the 1980s, I am well acquainted with
Bogado’s ilk and the philosophy that fuels their agenda. Taking positions at the
free speech barricades once manned (yes, the dreaded word ‘manned’) by Mario
Savio, Abbie Hoffman, Ken Keasey, Allen Ginsberg and Timothy Leary (mentioning
five Anglo males has Bogado probably already dialing the Rape Crisis Center),
I watched Stalinists like Bogado mask themselves as ‘progressives’ as they led
the charge against any deviation from their boiler-plate ideology.

Make no mistake about it, Bob, Aura Bogado is a hater. You can smell it in her
first reply to you. Like flatulence in a crowded elevator the fetid reek of Bogado’s
sexist, racist hatred of heterosexual Anglo males should curl the nose hair of any
reasonable person.Her rhetoric about the ‘People’ verses the ‘Pigs’ (like Flynt, apparently)
is standard issue for Bogado’s crowd, and I am sure she repeats the mantra in the
mirror every morning as she adjusts her beret and army jacket, before blowing a kiss to
the framed picture of Donald ‘Cinque’ DeFreeze she undoubtedly has on the wall.

Bogado is clear that absolutely no questioning—however reasoned—will be tolerated
of sacred cow legislation, such as the so-called ‘rape shield laws,’ which Flynt did in a
recent issue of Hustler. Larry’s crime, it seems, was to suggest there are serious flaws
in such laws and their application. Adequate due process for accused men is of little
consequence to Bogado.

She then makes the claim that Flynt preps American males (especially those
genetically criminal Anglo, heterosexual males) for RAPE! by publishing explicit
images of consenting adults engaged in sex.

Yet it’s clear that like her soul mate Andrea Dworkin, Bogado would find virtually
any depiction of explicit heterosexual sex akin to rape, just as her ilk frequently
compare an erect penis to a knife—a weapon wielded for violence. She then claims
belatedly that she “advocates erotica” and proclaims herself “sex positive,” while
maintaining that she doesn’t support direct government intervention against the
adult entertainment industry.Just as Ralph Reed and his cadre in the Christian
Coalition have perfected the art of stealth zealotry, so too has Bogado learned to
mask her true agenda.

The devil can be found in her details.

When Hustler recently interviewed Bogado’s compatriot Prof. Robert Jensen,
he too went to great lengths to disavow government censorship. Yet parsing
his carefully crafted comments, it was revealed that he opposes government
censorship largely because it doesn’t work. Bogado makes the same statement,
noting ‘porn’ would go underground if attacked—hardly a ringing endorsement
of free speech. Jensen supports new legislation, in fact, that would codify a causality
(never clinically established) between depictions of explicit sex (heterosexual sex
only, of course) and RAPE!, legislation that would allow alleged victims to sue
manufacturers of porn for damages. Jensen, Dworkin and (I am sure) Bogado
want to subject movie-makers and magazine publishers and Internet content
providers to the same death-by-litigation tactic that has been used against Big
Tobacco and gun manufacturers.

The most revealing moment with Jensen—as I am sure it would be with
Bogado—came when we at Hustler asked him to clearly describe and define the
“egalitarian erotica” he allegedly endorsed. He couldn’t. He stuttered and
stammered and dodged, but when called to identify a single specific visual act that
would represent what he would find acceptable, Jensen blanked.

Justice Potter Stewart famously stated he knew obscenity when he saw it.
Bogado, Jensen and their brigades essentially claim the reverse; it’s all sick, prurient,
misogynistic obscenity UNTIL they see some elusive example of egalitarian porn.
Ask them what material would actually qualify as acceptable and they flatline.

Bogado has learned to avoid such exposure when possible, so she stays on message
by regurgitating the same meaningless catch-phrases and buzz words over and
over again: ‘women of color’ raped/oppressed/enslaved/violated/shackled/tortured
etc. by “white male fantasies” as featured in TechniColor on pages of magazines
like Hustler.My favorite line in her second broadside to you was her noting that after
Sept. 11th, she was alarmed that it “was alright to be a white male…”

Well, as they used to say where I grew up: Boom, there it is!

Like you Robert, I used to try to understand racists like Bogado, perhaps because
as a young Leftist I felt compelled to believe they were sincere and inherently decent
people. Ahhhh, the good old days. Back when many of us on the Left didn’t mind
having Conservative friends (remember?).

I have long since learned that our side has a cancer on it as well, toxic little tumors
like Bogado who (like the haters on the Right) have managed to find a bullhorn
and microphone to spread their vile malignancy.

So I now speak out against racist haters like Bogado as she is ultimately a far more
dangerous threat to a multi-ethnic, unified, free and democratic society than anything
the Religious Right has spewed forth.

She is a rabid wolf in progressive clothing.

Regards,
Mark Cromer
Features Editor
HUSTLER

p.s. – The upcoming January issue of Hustler will feature more female journalists
(five) than male, including black and Latina contributors. We are winning…and that’s
why she is so freaked out…

Read more in Part Two–Flynt Touches Off Progressive Range War

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

KPFK SENIOR PRODUCER ALAN MINSKY JOINS THE FRAY

Robert et al,

Alan Minsky here, KPFK Senior Producer, Indymedia's organizer. I've
taken my time to chime in on this because I've been swamped preparing
for NYC -- and I also wanted to take the time try to sort out my
thinking on this matter.

I am not too familiar with Hustler or Larry Flynt's career (I've seen
the film, recall his intervention in the Clinton-era scandals/idiocies,
have a sense of what style of pornography can be found in the magazine,
and I read the Sherman Austin article).

But I am aware enough to know that if NION practiced the type of
consensus decision making process that is practiced by Indymedia and
other groups from the Global Justice Movement / Zapatista-inspired mold,
I would expect that any affiliation with Hustler would not successfully
pass through the process. In other words, I do believe that Aura's
argument would hold sway in a democratic, highly respectful process (in
which both (all) sides would get a fair chance to express their
position) amongst rank-and-file NION members. In fact, I doubt the
outcome of such a process would even be close.

And, I do not believe for one second that the Global Justice movement is
filled with Stalinists, or people blinded by politically-correct
orthodoxy. Instead, I think the very committed rank-and-file activist
community is still populated by well-thought-out, conscientious people
who seek a better society than the fucked-up, imbalanced, unjust one we
presently abide in. I doubt many people in that movement want to see
Hustler outlawed (I certainly would not support that -- I'm for free
speech all the way). But I firmly believe that resistance to any overt
endorsement or affiliation w/ Hustler would hold sway amongst such
activists because the relationship between patriarchy, popular
pornography, and economic exploitation remains transparently obvious to
this large body of politically conscious everyday folk (just as
pro-feminist, non-dollar-driven erotica would be embraced).

If I were present at such a meeting, I would certainly support an effort
to block an affiliation with Hustler.

I believe that in the 1990s and into this decade there has been a great
"normalization" (i.e. wide-spread acceptance) of pornography and the
sex-industry, with Howard Stern and HBO both virtually promoting woman
strippers and lap-dancers as veritable role models for young women. Of
course, people will make the decisions they make and it's up to them.
But the explosion of these industries the past decade and a half strikes
me as thoroughly related to the tougher, more brutal economy facing the
middle and working classes.

And, to my mind, damned if there isn't also a correlation between the
wider-acceptance of these industries and a parallel de-emphasizing of
education (the development of young people's minds) in this society. In
contrast to the ethics of feminism, this overt social trend is sending
the message to young women that their primary their value lies in their
body's appeal to men (and their money) and not in the development of
their minds. (And, old school, anti-Stalinist that I am, I do believe
that widespead feminist pedegogy would facilitate the development of a
post-patriarchal sexuality (which, to me, as a straight, hopefully
intelligent and sentient, man, would, be a million times more sexy and
attractive than a society made-up of the lost, vacant souls that I see
when I encounter popular pornography).

To reiterate my main point, I earnestly believe that the millions of
rank-and-file folks in the Peace and Global Justice movements share
similar, common sense (old-school, non-totalitarian, anti-censorship,
liberatory) positions as those expressed in the previous two paragraphs
and, as such, would not embrace endorsing Hustler in the way that NION
did recently.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

Alan Minsky

CORSINI CALLS FOR CALM

To All Concerned:

This particular e-mail debate over LarryFlynt.com's supporting NION's call for
NYC protest is clearly unfortunate given what 'we' as progressives are facing.
I say 'we' because a progressive political future for our country and world is
necesarily dependent on our ability to be inclusive and cultivate dialogue between
constituencies and political and social points of view -- all directed toward unseating
the heinouos power structures that are dismantling what's left of our democracy
and threatening our very existence on this miraculous planet we inhabit. I ask all
who have been drawn into this minefield of progressive 'ego' and identity politics
to let it go and allow for us all to focus on NYC. I myself am preparing to leave tonight.
this is a debate that demands some form of resolution but it cannot happen here and
now and with this kind of rancor. I remain hopeful that we can all reflect on this and
perhaps re-engage in a more reasoned fashion devoid of any and all personal attacks
after -- the RNC.

Good luck and safety to all traveling to NY. Yes we can make a difference. We will
change the course of history -- there is no choice.

Sincerely,

Robert

HUSTLER’S BRUCE DAVID DECLARES WAR

Robert:

We at Hustler can accept being rejected by certain elements of the progressive
community. Sure, we are disappointed; we would like as much support as
possible for the positions we are taking in print, especially since these progressive
views have cost us at least some loss of readership. (You are right to point to the
survival of our democracy and the survival of the planet itself as the real issues.)
But, as Rick Nelson said, "You can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself."
We are pleased to have presented the views of Dr. Helen Caldicott, Janine Jackson
(FAIR), Greg Palast, Karl Grossman (nukes in space), Howard Lyman
(mad cow disease), George Monbiot, Peter Coyote, Carol Picou (Gulf War illness),
Craig Unger, Christian Parenti, David Cay Johnston and others to the very people who
most need to be reached.

What we will not abide, however, is being called rapists and being accused of fostering
assaults on women and children, even by implication. People like Aura Bogado make
these accusations so freely because the voices of reason remain silent in the face of
such nonsense. Hustler's editors will not remain silent when attacked in this fashion.
You can all expect to see a rather forceful series of responses in print, starting with
Hustler's February issue. This, of course, will distract us from our attacks on Bush, Cheney,
et. al., but then, that's of no concern to Bogado, is it?

Robert, if you ever want us to post something in the future, don't hesitate to ask.

Regards,
Bruce David
Editorial Director
HUSTLER

KPFK'S JAMIE LEE COVERS FOR BOGADO

I wanted to respond to the flurry of e-mails that have generated over the NION LA
announcement that Larry Flynt supports the campaign to obtain a permit for Central
Park and the call for 1 million people to NYC for the RNC to say no to bush & all he
represents.

I believe that some of the e-mails generated off of Aura Bogada’s initial e-mail have
taken a very ugly turn and is quite divisive for the kind of resistance movement that
is needed to stop the course our government is taking and beyond that. The personal
and unprincipled attacks which have been aimed at Aura in particular are
unacceptable. The Not In Our Name Project absolutely condemns the disgusting,
misogynistic attack on Aura by Mark Cromer of Hustler. We will not participate in and will
actively oppose any further attacks on Aura if any appear in the pages of Hustler. We
sincerely and deeply apologize for any role anyone in NION played in opening Aura up to
these attacks by forwarding her private email response. After this e-mail, we will not be
responding or sending out e-mails through LA NION with all the cc's on this subject. Aura's
criticism of forwarding her private e-mail to LA NION is absolutely correct and it was
inappropriate to forward any response to and from Aura to others without her permission.

Aura has played a very important role in promoting and supporting the Not In Our Name
project through her work and efforts at KPFK and Free Speech Radio News and it is very
much appreciated and continues to be needed so. I hope that we will be able to discuss
and debate the issues raised in her initial e-mail with her and to continue to find the ways
to work together to change the direction Bush & Co. are hell bent on taking the planet!

It is in that spirit that I want to address the question posed by Aura - which is very legitimate
and important question and concern (for many of us! that's why I am writing this to everyone
pulled into this discussion).

Who is the `our' in Not In Our Name? Who does it need to be to stop this endless war and
repression? Who can and needs to be united with to do just that? To answer this, I want to
go back to what NION is about (and isn't), why it was initiated and the fact that it has been
able to connect and give so much heart and courage to so many is a testament to the void
that it is filling. This seems to be has gotten lost or shoved aside especially in latter e-mails
generated off of Aura’s first email.

In the wake of 9/11 and the response from Bush & Co., many of us could see the course our
government was taking things, it was ominous, dangerous and deadly. But the challenge
was how to bring together all those who were not "with Bush" and how to contribute to
building a resistance movement that would have a flag - the globe - to rally around and
to gather others, that could inspire and give courage to many who felt alone and isolated
because they were `with the people of the world' as well as others beginning to question
the direction this country was being taken and to stand with those under attack in the name
of the so-called `war on terrorism' - be it the people of Afghanistan, Iraq or people living in
the U.S. and this list grows daily - to stop the Bush & Co.! To accomplish this will take millions,
tens of millions of people in this country. Those who have come together in this resistance
movement are quite diverse - in our politics and beliefs, languages, cultures - but we have
something greater in common. The "our" in Not In Our Name is for everyone "living in the United
States who believes that it is our responsibility to resist the injustices done by our government,
in our names." (from the NION Pledge of Resistance). " When President Bush declared: ‘you're
either with us or against us.’ Here is our answer: We refuse to allow you to speak for all the
American people. We will not give up our right to question. We will not hand over our consciences
in return for a hollow promise of safety. We say NOT IN OUR NAME. We refuse to be party to
these wars and we repudiate any inference that they are being waged in our name or for our
welfare. We extend a hand to those around the world suffering from these policies; we will
show our solidarity in word and deed." (from the NION Statement of Conscience).

As the anti-war movement in this country grew in the wake of 9/11, the US war against
Afghanistan, Arabs, Muslims, South Asians, Iraq and growing attacks on civil
liberties -we saw an amazing diversity of people on the same side - opposing the injustices
being done by our government in our name - to speak with one voice albeit in many different
ways. It should not be surprisingly that within this resistance movement there has been
and is a lot to debate and struggle over, what are the cause, source of these injustices and
horrors we oppose, what is the solution(s), - and case in point, who can we unite with, who
should we unite with, on what basis, and related to that how to change the course of
history - what is the content of the last line of the NION Pledge "Another world is possible
and we pledge to make it real." We also find that we have some serious disagreements with
people that who we are standing with in this struggle, including on some very crucial
questions - and we must find the ways to have principled dialogue and debate over these
questions. Someone described the 60's as a time when people were demonstrating all day
and debating strategies for change all night. We definitely need more of both right now!
NION as a project is united to resisting the injustices being done by our govt in our
name... right now the whole world is watching and looking to hear the most powerful
message coming from the streets of NYC from the people living in the US will be
NO TO BUSH & ALL HE REPRESENTS! NO TO ENDLESS WAR & REPRESSION!

Some of the issues raised in the e-mails are life and death questions for humanity and
the kind of world we want to live in. We as people living in the U.S. also have an
important responsibility to the people of the world to debate and find the solutions to
those questions. Check out the response to the ad that NION published recently in Iraq
"U.S. torture and occupation, not in our name" http://www.notinournaine.net/war/baghdad-ad-
7jul04.htm. One of the responses to the ad was challenging us, what are you going to do
about this? And the very important issue raised by Aura in her e-mail, the oppression
and exploitation of women! Again, I say that the last couple of e-mails from the Editors of
Hustler magazine are particularly vicious, offensive and very dangerous. To discuss this
further I think goes beyond the scope of the Not In Our Nameproject but I personally welcome
the opportunity to find the forms to have this debate and discussion.

-Jamie Lee, organizer, Los Angeles Not In Our Name Project

JAMIE LEE REQUESTS REMOVAL OF POSTINGS

Mr. Cromer,

You do not have my permission to post or publish the e-mail I just sent to you nor do you have
the permission of Los Angeles Not In Our Name to print, publish or post on any site any of the
e-mails that you have received with regard to this issue. Please immediately remove all
e-mails that you received from and through LA NION from the larryflynt.com website.

Jamie Lee, organizer, L.A. Not In Our Name

MARK CROMER SAYS 'NO DICE'

Ms. Lee,

To the contrary, we have every right to engage in this debate and to do so as others have,
via new media postings. Not only are we personally subjects of this debate, but Aura Bogado
has made this anything but a 'private' discussion. To that end, we intend to continue posting
these emails and viewpoints on our associated websites and you can be sure we will be covering
this debate in upcoming issues of Hustler magazine.It appears you are uncomfortable with public
scrutiny. Given your stated positions, that's understandable.

Regards,
Mark Cromer
Features Editor
Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

***

I am outraged that NION LA would use an endorsement from a misogynist like Larry Flynt to garner attention to what may very well be one of the biggest demonstrations in recent history. I will be in New York because as a woman of color, I want to stand against oppression and domination in all its forms. Sexism and racism are a flagrant part of Flynt's capitalist exploitation. I visited larryflynt.com and linked to an interesting article titled, "The Rape Shield Law: It's Just Wrong". In it, Flynt essentializes feminists as "anti-men", and says that Rape Shield laws create an "uneven playing field" for rape victims. It's very easy to kill Iraqis when we de-humanize them. By de-humanizing women through pornography it's similarly easy to rape them and say laws are created that give these women and unfair advantage.

For these reasons and more, remove me from NION LA's list, and take a minute to consider who "Our" stands for "Not In Our Name". To me, "our" stands for the People, not the Pigs like Flynt. I want to create alliances, but not when they threaten the core of my liberation.

Aura Bogado
Producer/Host
KPFK 90.7 FM, Los Angeles

****

I think that even if we are not signatories to the Not In Our Name petition, which is an anti-War-on-Iraq statement, even if we aren't members of the NION organization officially, we ought to write letters like this.

What is really disgusting about this is that Not In Our Names originated with feminists, during a meeting of feminists, and was quickly co-opted by Leftist anti-war men. Here is a link to the original pledge.

http://www.notinourname.net/statement_conscience.html

If you look at the original signatories to the (already-co-opted) statement of conscience, you will find the names of *many* radical feminists incorporated into a longer list. These feminists originated the campaign, and I wrote about this on the old Ms Boards, I guess, because I can't find it here, so frustrating-- a lot of the links and information aren't around anymore on the internet, that I can find.

Here are some of the names on the list of original signatories:

Medea Benjamin
Stephanie Coontz
Angela Davis
Rosalyn Deutsche
Ani Di Franco
Roxanne Dunbar-Ortiz, professor, California State University, Hayward
Barbara Ehrenreich
Eve Ensler
Jane Fonda
Vivian Gornick
bell hooks
Harriet Lerner
Cynthia McKinney, former U.S. representative
Robin Morgan
Toni Morrison
Katha Pollitt
Amy Ray, Indigo Girls
Adrienne Rich
Angelica Salas, director, Campaign for Humane Immigrant Rights of Los Angeles
Angela Sanbrano, exec. dir., Central American Resource Center
Susan Sarandon
Starhawk
Gloria Steinem
Alice Walker
Rebecca Walker
Naomi Wallace

On their main page they now post a greatly edited list of signatories which now includes almost no recognizable feminist leaders' names. But how hideous are the actions of this particular asshole who sought Flynt's endorsement, given the members, signatories, and original founders of the NION project.

Heart

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

Here's the interview with Susie Bright that Bogado refers to but separated by spaces. I don't want Flynt tracking back here via links if I can avoid it, so delete the spaces, copy the link, paste into your browser, read, weep.

http:// www. larryflynt . com / notebook . php?id=93

Heart

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin

BTW, Cynthia McKinney is back in Congress. She is quite popular in her district, but Democratic Party bigshots encouraged Denise Majette, an ex-Republican fan of Alan Keyes, to run against McKinney in the 2002 primary, which attracted enough crossover Republican votes to force her out.

Aletha
http://www.freesoil.org
Free Soil from role stereotyping, genetic and chemical assault, abuse of authority, ...

The part that gets me the most:

"Neither of them seem to have any idea that there's been a radical sexual liberation movement that superseded them, both artists and activists, who have redefined the very word 'pornography.'"

Is this Bright et. al. taking responsibility for the freakishly increased violence and humiliation of mainstream porn in the last 10-15 years? This 'redefinition' of porn where Bang Bus and Max Hardcore are now considered mainstream and what used to naively be called "pictures of people fucking" are blase and 'vanilla' is the direct fault of selfish women like Bright but I don't think that's what she intends to admit to with that sentence.

The way I see it, the increased cruelty of porn in recent years is a perfect illustration of what porn is really intended for. It was never about sexual liberation and always about humiliating women. Women increasingly buying into the "sexual freedom" bullshit made everything worse because, as we have many examples to prove, once women start moving in there goes the neighborhood and men move out for greener, meaner pastures.

When Russian women became doctors in large numbers, the noble healing art became less attractive to Russian men. There's a UK chocolate bar advertised as "Not for girls' because men associate women with chocolate and won't overcome their disgust of femaleness to partake of the sweet treat themselves; it's not a manly treat. Men strenuously keep women out of the military because once it's shown women can be soldiers than male soldiers aren't quite as manly anymore.

Under this model, women accepting pornography as it used to be known meant men didn't want it that way anymore cause if women like it then it can't be very good. So they moved to more anal thinking correctly that most women didn't like it, but then some women adapted to that too and now anal isn't edgy anymore, edgy in porn really meaning "That which men like and women don't, hence making it good and worthwhile". Now the double or triple anal is where it's at. Then women got more used to gang bangs, even the 100 people fuckfests, and now simply showing sex with a hundred men isn't edgy anymore unless it's accompanied by lots of violence and verbal degradation. Women got used to facials and now bukkake proliferates and, again, the verbal abuse has increased because there's only so many things you can do to bodies.

What women like Bright don't understand is they're never going to get to the top of the heap beause anytime they come close men move the heap to keep it untainted by the touch of femaleness. And that was always the point of porn, to take women down and show them men are the boss. It's like a dumb game where Max Hardcore is hitting Susie Bright in the arm and too self-absorbed in proving to him how big her balls are she says, "didn't hurt", so he hits her harder and she says again, "didn't hurt", so he punches her harder and harder and harder...

-Jeyoani

Heart

Feminism is a revolution, not a public relations campaign. -- Margaret Sloan-Hunter

I'm a radical feminist, not the fun kind. -- Andrea Dworkin